完美老鏡前世今生 (2018 Mar) Perfect Old Lens with Hided Defects

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Re: 完美老鏡前世今生 (2018 Feb) Perfect Old Lens with Hided Defects

文章sortiejapan » 二月 23rd, 2018, 12:38 pm

Bisbee233 寫:Dear sortiejapan,
Why am I on your list? Bisbee233?

What proplem lens did I ever sell to you? I would have disclosed it if I knew the lens had any issues and I would have gladly taken it back in return if you were not happy.

Please explain.

Thanks,
Rob


I never buy anything from your account. But some lenses you sold have significant signs of re-polishing. Those glasses have been polished to hide scratch and the curvature radius may be different to original design. Regards.

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Re: 完美老鏡前世今生 (2018 Feb) Perfect Old Lens with Hided Defects

文章Bisbee233 » 二月 23rd, 2018, 1:15 pm

Thanks for your reply.

But your accusation is very unfair and untrue. I have never repolished a lens. Not one. I have no idea how to even do it.

Perhaps repolishing is commom in HK or Japan but there are no repair shops here in the USA that even offer that service certainly none here in Ohio where I live.

Since you have openly accused me of unscrupulous selling practices on this forum could you please offer some proof?

If not, Id ask you to kindly revise your post to remove any mention of me.

Thanks a lot,
Rob

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Re: 完美老鏡前世今生 (2018 Feb) Perfect Old Lens with Hided Defects

文章Bisbee233 » 二月 23rd, 2018, 1:21 pm

Oh...also no one who has ever actually purchased a lens from me has complained about it being repolished.

Not one in 10 years of selling and over 1,500 sales.

Rob

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文章sortiejapan » 二月 23rd, 2018, 1:50 pm

Bisbee233 寫:Perhaps repolishing is commom in HK or Japan but there are no repair shops here in the USA that even offer that service certainly none here in Ohio where I live.
Since you have openly accused me of unscrupulous selling practices on this forum could you please offer some proof?


I just do a google search for seconds, simply find a company in California offer camera lens repolishing service for 40 years.
There may be more repair workshops doing that in US or in Ohio, if I live there and do some street visit.

http://www.ultraflat.com/polishing-and-re-grinding/

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Re: 完美老鏡前世今生 (2018 Feb) Perfect Old Lens with Hided Defects

文章Bisbee233 » 二月 23rd, 2018, 11:35 pm

I dont know that company and I have never used them.

Again, whats your proof? Who bought a lens from me that was repolished? What was the lens?

I will state again I have never polished a lens. Please provide proof that I have or stop baselessly accusing me of doing so.

Rob

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Re: 完美老鏡前世今生 (2018 Feb) Perfect Old Lens with Hided Defects

文章sortiejapan » 二月 24th, 2018, 2:15 am

Bisbee233 寫:Oh...also no one who has ever actually purchased a lens from me has complained about it being repolished.
Not one in 10 years of selling and over 1,500 sales.


Bisbee233 寫:I dont know that company and I have never used them.
Again, whats your proof? Who bought a lens from me that was repolished? What was the lens?


You sold 1,500 antique lenses, most of them have good glass without scratch, but just DON'T KNOW repolishing is common in USA for decades?

Maybe you do the repolishing, maybe you do not have ability to tell a repolished lens you bought then trade.

There is victim in this forum bought a repolished lens you sold.

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Re: 完美老鏡前世今生 (2018 Feb) Perfect Old Lens with Hided Defects

文章Bisbee233 » 二月 24th, 2018, 8:12 am

Who is it? What lens?

The fact that you will not post even the bare minium of evidence speaks volumes as to the veracity of your claims.

Internet forums like this are very useful tools for collectors to share information.

But the downside to them, if they are not properly moderated, is bitter, honorless trolls like you are free to pepper them with slander and lies.

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Re: 完美老鏡前世今生 (2018 Feb) Perfect Old Lens with Hided Defects

文章sortiejapan » 二月 24th, 2018, 9:06 am

Let's see who is honorless and tell lies:

Bisbee233 寫:Perhaps repolishing is commom in HK or Japan but there are no repair shops here in the USA that even offer that service


Acturally you are added to this list recently, after long discussion about one year. There are some bad buying feedback about you in this forum.

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Re: 完美老鏡前世今生 (2018 Feb) Perfect Old Lens with Hided Defects

文章Bisbee233 » 二月 24th, 2018, 11:54 am

So your claiming that I sold someone on this forum a rare and valuable vintage lens and I didnt disclose that it had been repolised. They subsequently found out it it had been repolished and were very unhappy with thier purchase....right?

And that person did not return it, or ask for a refund or even complain to me about it? Nor did they leave me negative feedback on eBay...nothing. They just complained to you and begged you to put me on your “list”. Thats what your claiming happed?

OK...sounds legit. You must be very powerful.

Maybe you'd have more interesting lenses to sell if you spent more time looking for them and less time dreaming up your “list”

Anyway, Im off to look for lenses...Happy New Year!

Rob

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文章sortiejapan » 二月 24th, 2018, 1:40 pm

Bisbee233 寫:So your claiming that I sold someone on this forum a rare and valuable vintage lens and I didnt disclose that it had been repolised. They subsequently found out it it had been repolished and were very unhappy with thier purchase....right?

And that person did not return it, or ask for a refund or even complain to me about it? Nor did they leave me negative feedback on eBay...nothing. They just complained to you and begged you to put me on your “list”. Thats what your claiming happed?

OK...sounds legit. You must be very powerful.


Your feedback is not so perfect as you think. For example, someone in eBay auction #171482430326 did not give good feedback and said "Unbelieve photo and description". In eBay auction #171320430408, buyer said "Lens is worse than the actual description".

Acturally, those victims told webmaster and create a warning seller list in private. I am the last one to know that in this forum.

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Re: 完美老鏡前世今生 (2018 Feb) Perfect Old Lens with Hided Defects

文章checkie » 二月 24th, 2018, 8:32 pm

幾interesting 喎!seller 自己出黎反博!
Sortiejapan 睇你喇!有冇真憑實據!不過我點想一定信你!因為所有野基於利益,你冇自己利益點會講大話,賣家出黎自辯我最多信三成!

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Re: 完美老鏡前世今生 (2018 Feb) Perfect Old Lens with Hided Defects

文章Bisbee233 » 二月 25th, 2018, 2:07 am

Wow!!....2 negative feedbacks in 1,700 sales...your right Im a terrible seller.

Anyway, I never said I was perfect only that I NEVER REPOLISHED A LENS!

Your either a lier with an agenda or mentality rather simple. Im not sure which.

Rob

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Re: 完美老鏡前世今生 (2018 Feb) Perfect Old Lens with Hided Defects

文章sortiejapan » 二月 25th, 2018, 2:36 am

Bisbee233 寫:Wow!!....2 negative feedbacks in 1,700 sales...your right Im a terrible seller.
Anyway, I never said I was perfect only that I NEVER REPOLISHED A LENS!


Two days ago you said there is no place in USA to do repolishing, then said you just don't know that service has been there for decades.

Hours ago you said no buyer complain to you, now you say only two bad feedbacks, not very much.

It seems that everything you insist today will be false tomorrow.

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Re: 完美老鏡前世今生 (2018 Feb) Perfect Old Lens with Hided Defects

文章Bisbee233 » 二月 25th, 2018, 9:49 am

Im sorry business is so slow for you in HK but spreading lies about your competition really won’t help you.

You should work harder and lie less.

Rob

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Re: 完美老鏡前世今生 (2018 Feb) Perfect Old Lens with Hided Defects

文章checkie » 二月 25th, 2018, 10:52 am

Have a look at this message from a professional buyer to Rob (bisbee)self explanatory !


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